Gary Null's response to being censored on Guns and Butter

Dear Ms. Prives:

I had a chance to read your recent public statements about me, as well as Steve Brown’s reply to you, both of which were forwarded to me. I concur with Mr Brown’s assessment, and with his warning that your statements constitute libel, and that a lawsuit against you and the foundation would almost certainly be successful. My attorneys agree.

Lewis Hill would have been appalled at the blatant censorship imposed upon Bonnie Faulkner and myself, especially in light of the California senate’s recent passage of a bill that destroys Californians’ freedom of health choices for their children. Had I been allowed the opportunity to present the independent science opposing Big Pharma’s spurious claims for vaccine efficacy and safety, there might have been enough support from KPFA listeners to have delayed or thwarted the bill’s sponsors from passing it.

For someone who evidently has no accurate knowledge of either me or my work, I am deeply disappointed that you did not reach out to me privately to address your concerns, but instead accepted as true the slanderous and libelous accusations of individuals with their own political and ideological -- and possibly financial -- agendas. As a result, your public statements about me were remarkably naïve and immature. They were also, according to my attorneys, libelous -- because I have on numerous occasions sent compelling evidence to all Pacifica stations that the attacks against me, fabricated by a small group of Act Up members for reasons unrelated to their stated mission, are without merit. Therefore, I can only assume that your unfounded public statements against me represent malice (in the legal meaning of the term), which exposes you, Margie Wilkinson, KPFA, and the Pacifica Foundation to punitive damages.

It is curious that you would quote a Wikipedia article almost verbatim for information to discredit me. There are many trusted, objective and quality resources that expose Wikipedia’s biases, lack of objectivity, and infiltration by editors who have been paid to create preferential statements for some and denigrating statements for others. So severe and widespread is Wikipedia’s lack of credibility that universities, including Harvard, advise students not to use it. As the program director of KPFA, I would have expected you to be aware of this.

Regarding my credentials that you disparage, let me set the record straight.

Over the past 40 years I have published over 600 articles on science, medicine and the environment, including over 300 investigative reports. Dozens of these became cover stories for national magazines. I have won numerous awards for investigative reporting, journalism and radio broadcasting on these matters. You can review my articles yourself because many are posted on my website in the archives.

I have also been a leader for many social and healthcare movements and was among the first journalists to publish national articles exposing the unsavory financial and political agendas behind cancer, heart disease, AIDS, psychiatry, and the AMA, FDA and CDC. My work has been used by 60 Minutes, and 20-20 earned two Emmys using my work. I have been invited as a keynote speaker at numerous national and world conferences on anti-aging medicine and alternative health to present insights into the health impacts of lifestyle and behavior. My reputation is solely the result of the work I do. I do not promote myself, nor do I have a marketing person, because I spend seven days a week, every day of the year, engaged in social issues.

For those who state I am a so-called “AIDS denier,” that is a blatant lie (as well as being a term slyly fabricated by pharmaceutical industry PR consultants to stigmatize those with alternative viewpoints by subliminally linking them to Holocaust deniers). I have worked with one of America’s leading gay physicians, Dr. Steven Caiasa, for many years. Together we counseled more than 1200 persons with full blown AIDS, many of whom -- instead of dying as predicted -- are still alive today.

While serving as the director of the Tri-State Healing Center, I arranged for over a 1,000 persons with AIDS to be treated -- at no charge -- by physicians using holistic protocols. I published a series of articles about natural non-toxic therapeutic protocols for helping AIDS patients. All of this work led eventually to a national press conference in New York City. The conference featured 100 AIDS victims who were in full recovery or had completely reversed their conditions, as demonstrated by their physicians and medical records. New York’s future governor and an eminent panel of scientists reviewed the records of these patients and concluded that the results were both astonishing and significant, and deserved a public hearing. 

During this 6-hour event, each person told his story. Eighty-eight AIDS survivors explained how their physicians used detoxification modalities, Louise Hay’s method, and other metabolic therapies. The remaining 12 reversed all their illnesses and their diagnosis reversed to HIV-negative under my care. However, not a single AIDS group, medical doctor or major media member attended the conference -- it was a complete and deliberate media blackout even though thousands of invitations had been sent out. The public relations firm that handled the event reported back that they never saw anything like that before.

During my journalist career, my stories have always been vetted by either a scientist or an attorney to assure accuracy and proper scientific citation. Throughout the entire period of the height of the AIDS epidemic I was lecturing within the gay community on lifestyle and behavior modification. I also worked closely with Charles Ortleib, the editor of the nation’s number one gay publication, New York Native.

It was the opinion of the Native’s award winning journalist, Nina Ostrom, that AIDS was due to multiple causes including the Herpes-6 virus. Charles, Nina and others appeared on my radio programs frequently to present their first hand experiences and investigations that differed from those of the emerging gay faction that became aligned with, and to a great extent financed by, the medical industry. Burroughs Wellcome, the manufacturer of AZT, was one of the largest funders of individuals in the AIDS movement, such as Act Up, who targeted myself and other journalists and activists who questioned the belief that AIDS could ONLY be treated with anti-viral drugs, such as they manufactured and sold at predatory markups as high as (literally) 2,000 percent and more.

As the death toll rose parallel to higher AZT doses, the pharmaceutical industry and Act Up continued to promote the pharmaceutical approach to treat AIDS -- even though it was not curing, but instead killing off thouusands of the afflicted. As a result, we witnessed a tragic mass-die off of those using high doses of retrovirals. In order to silence those of us -- physicians, scientists, journalists and activists, straight or gay -- who spent thousands of hours trying to bring this deadly mis-application of drugs to public attention, a smear campaign was launched to call us “AIDS denialists.” This was intended to produce an effect similar to calling someone a holocaust denier, and it destroyed people’s careers. Today, there are over 3000 scientists, researchers and multiple Nobel laureates who challenge the existing AIDS paradigm. None of them deny AIDS as an illness. Instead, what they request is an open debate about other methods of diagnosis and treatment that have proven both effective and safe -- but do not rely on dangerous drugs. And that is why the pharmaceutical industry works so hard to stigmatize those such as myself, who are a threat to their huge profit machine, since research into HIV and AIDS today is larger than that for cancer and cardiovascular disease combined.

Regrettably, censorship such as yours help shut off public and open debate on the dangers of unsafe vaccines, as well as on alternative treatments for AIDS. And your statements attacking me as an AIDS denialist by listening to disturbed propagandists flies in the face of simple fact-checking. I have repeatedly invited my attackers on my KPFK and WBAI programs in the past to debate me, but they refuse. However, on my program I did debate the two most prominent people in the field of AIDS: Drs. Robert Gallo and Luc Montaigner (who won the Nobel prize for first identifying HIV).

My first documentary film on health was released in 1986. Since then I have received approximately 300 film awards and official festival entries. I have directed three award-winning documentaries focusing on vaccines, including the one you censored.

During the 2010 faux swine flu scare my producer and I submitted a 100 page white paper to the New York State Governor and Health Commissioner, as well as testifying under oath to the NY health commission, scientific arguments opposing the state’s bill to mandate the H1N1 flu vaccine. I did this on behalf of nurses and healthcare workers whose health would have been threatened by a vaccine that was fast-tracked and improperly reviewed for its safety and efficacy.

If you had taken a moment to listen to any of my broadcasts on WBAI or the Progressive Radio Network, you would quickly realize that the health news I report and comment upon is based on the most recent peer-reviewed medical findings from universities and medical institutions throughout the world, and that there is a huge body of sound science supporting alternative health prevention and treatment for physical and mental illnesses. I present such vital information daily on my programs.

Your personal attack on my motives -- by accusing me of profiting from the use of my products and supplements as Pacifica premiums -- is grossly unfounded, and one of the typical lies that prevails among the ideologues and enemies of free speech at KPFA. I have instructed my publishers, such as Seven Story press, to offer books to WBAI at such a low cost that my royalties were reduced so the station could earn more money.

The great irony is that for almost 35 years I refused to promote any of my products on WBAI or Pacifica. Only in recent years did that change, when WBAI’s then-Program Director Tony Bates and General Manager Berthold Reimers pleaded with me to do so, and I acceded to their wishes. My personal preference is to not pitch any of my own products as premiums, as former and current station managers of WBAI, KPFK and WPFW can verify.

Your assumption that I am in some kind of “racket,” and that I work only for financial gain, is delusional and an outright lie. During the past 45 years I have privately counseled tens of thousands of individuals without ever charging a penny. Rarely do I accept money for public lectures and appearances. For 31 years I hosted a weekly 6-hour program on KPFK, for 30 years a daily program on WPFW and every weekday for 39 years a program on WBAI. Although I was offered a producer’s salary, I did not accept it, because I was more committed to Pacifica’s mission of free speech than to personal financial gain. But had I chosen to accept producer’s salaries for all those years, Pacifica would have owed me approximately $2.7 million. In addition, I have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars of free premiums over the years to Pacifica stations. Even in 2014, I donated engineering equipment for WBAI’s studio as well as office furnishings.

Unfortunately, you have been taken in by the medical industry’s highly paid dissimulators, such as the Quackbusters, who wrote the Wikipedia entry about me, as well as by those who unthinkingly accept such disinformation as true, and then go on to thoughtlessly repeat it, without making the slightest effort to verify its accuracy. My degree in human nutrition and public health science is from a fully accredited university. My thesis and laboratory research was performed through the highly respected Institute of Applied Biology, a non-profit cancer research institution that dates back to the 1940s.

Therefore, I ask you: If you yourself are not personally knowledgeable about medical and scientific matters, and if you yourself have not performed any first-hand medical or scientific research of your own -- what basic humanistic values can possibly justify your mean-spirited attack on someone like myself, who has 45 years worth of scientific and medical experience, and whose findings are supported by (literally) thousands of eminent doctors and scientists? Moreover, if you then refuse to offer a person an opportunity to respond -- how then should your moral integrity be viewed?

In conclusion, the number of vaccines that people will legally be forced to allow into their bodies and into the bodies of their even more vulnerable children will soon escalate significantly. Even as you read this, over 270 new vaccines are being developed in the pharmaceutical industry’s pipeline. It is becoming ever more likely that the state of California will pass one of the most draconian and dangerous state vaccine laws in America, and that Governor Brown will sign it into law. Parents who refuse vaccination will be demonized. We can only imagine the holocaust of vaccine-induced injuries these bills will cause in the future.

Your anti-feminist stance, aside from censoring critical information to your KPFA listeners, is an attack on all mothers whose children have been damaged by vaccines. You have further disempowered them. That is your legacy. That is the legacy of KPFA. Your censorship has been a gift to the pharmaceutical industry and the pro-vaccine cartel that Pacifica's founder Lewis Hill would have denounced.

So before you challenge my credibility, understand I have been leading major social causes for over 45 years. My research and testimony will withstand time. Will yours?

Since you have already had the chance to express your contempt for me through your libelous public statements, I now invite you to substantiate those statements -- to transform them from mere unfounded assertions into solid verified fact -- by coming on my program to debate me. Refusal to do so will destroy your personal and professional credibility, and further tarnish the institutional credibility of KPFA and the Pacifica network.

Gary Null

Statement from Laura Prives, KPFA Program Director

Credibility means everything to a media organization. Part of the job of Program Director is to ensure that listeners can continue to come to KPFA as a trusted source of information. Gary Null is not a credible source for health information. Null has denied that HIV causes AIDS and that AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease. Null has built a career of selling remedies, supplements and alternative medical advice. His most advanced credential for his advice on life-threatening diseases is a Ph.D. in human nutrition and public health sciences from Union Institute; University, a private, distance-learning college based in Cincinnati, Ohio. He has personally profited off of sales from his products used as thank you gifts on his radio show, a violation of FCC rules.

The majority of the KPFA board rejected previous interim General Manager Andrew Philips’ suggestion to put Gary Null’s radio show on KPFA, before it even became an actual proposal.
KPFA has a serious responsibility to provide its listeners with accurate, science-based information on public health, most especially on issues that could potentially cause harm to people. Whether or not to invite Gary Null on the KPFA airwaves is not an issue of censorship. It is, however, about protecting the public airwaves from mis-information and from people who stand to profit by offering dubious remedies to sick and vulnerable listeners.
KPFA has covered and will continue to cover the many issues around vaccines and immunization using the best practices of independent and verifiable journalism.


bill - May 22nd, 2015 at 10:06am

Guns and Butter should not be censored.

Nora Leininger - May 22nd, 2015 at 3:29pm

Oh Snap!!!!! We are all watching and waiting for a response to the invitation for Laura Pravis to appear on Gary Null's program. So...?

PSYLOTUS - May 22nd, 2015 at 3:34pm

LOL,, Wouldn't want to be Laura Prives right now..! -(( KPFA Program Director FAIL!!))-

Gygpsy Taub - May 22nd, 2015 at 3:40pm

WOW!!! This is a lot worse than I had thought! Laura Previs needs to resign. I love the idea of her having to debate Gay Null. I would LOVE to hear that debate! Except I know that Laura Pervis is a back stabbing ignorant corporate tool, and way too much of a coward to enter a public debate. She was hoping to censor Gary Null and sweep it under the rug. She wasn't expecting us to rise up against her blatant censorship. I can't wait to see her get sued!

Nori - May 22nd, 2015 at 6:31pm

Of all the radio stations that I had hoped would get it right, KPFA should have done their homework. This is most disappointing to me, a long-term supporter of this remarkable radio station.

Jeffrey M. Dickemann, Ph.D. - May 23rd, 2015 at 2:52pm

One distinctive aspect of this dispute is the failure of Null to specify where he got his degree/training, what the basis for his theories is and whether he is in the business of selling cure. Ms. Privas reveals what he hides. This makes me suspicious of Null. I have never heard him speak or had any other previous knowledge of him. However i confess to having been very involved in the HIV crisis in the past.

Chiliboots - May 23rd, 2015 at 4:54pm

KPFA, relying upon Public Financial Support as it does, is now 'circling the drain' with us as a direct result of the unwarranted, and illegitimate, attacks upon Gary Null, engineered by Laura Prives, current KPFA Program Director. Now would be the time to discharge this individual, or share in her permanent loss of credibility, and funding, formerly forthcoming from our pockets, to yours. What shall it be, KPFA? We await your decision in this regard. Of course, ALL of Pacifica Radio, Nation-wide, is suspect, by association, of collusion in this onerous, un-professional, Censorship of "Guns and Butter", be advised.

Chan Bartlett - May 24th, 2015 at 1:59am

Several years ago I concluded that the factionalism at KPFA includes some who presumably "walk" like mainstream media, so I learned to pick and choose among KPFA shows. One reason I love Bonnie's show is that it is such a good source of information not generally heard elsewhere; another is that Bonnie herself sets such a high standard and tone both in interviews and in keeping above factionalism. I have to wonder why this show was targeted, after all the other controversial topics the show has covered.

Robin Gaura Vila - May 24th, 2015 at 5:30am
Ponerology - May 24th, 2015 at 12:27pm

Public Radio = those who run the agenda take tax (aka extortion) money off of their herd and give them back the slop which they deem is best consumed by their herd.

Ralph Metzner, Ph.D. - May 24th, 2015 at 12:29pm

The drive to compulsively vaccinate all school age children is unscientific and unethical %u2013 vaccination, like other health decisions should be a personal choice. The silencing of a scientific critic of compulsory public health program is the hallmark of a totalitarian, not a democratic system. Criticism and public debate is essential to a free democracy. There is sizable dissent in the medical and public health community of the safety and efficacy of mandatory vaccinations. Making them mandatory is a blatant commercial coup for the pharmaceutical industry. I'm seriously disappointed at KPFA's censor ship of Gary Null's voice %u2013 and will not be making a contribution to the fund drive this round. KPFA should apologize and give Gary Null a chance to air his program.

Anon - May 26th, 2015 at 12:09pm

It is censorship plain and simple. And instead of allowing the listeners to decide what to believe, she told us that only she is allowed to decide what we should believe and what information we should have.

Alisha - May 26th, 2015 at 2:28pm

Her rebuttal was hardly proof! Let's debate Laura? It's fair game! Show your proof! I can't believe she's trying to use "profiting on his health products" against him. Holy shit, has she seen Merck's quarterly financials (and fines for fraud?)

SFSecurity - May 26th, 2015 at 4:52pm

I am not a scientist or journalist involved with HIV or AIDS but I have a question or two about the issue. First, it would be nice to know Mr. Null's degrees and institutions. Often long documents asserting that one is right without evidence that can be verified are covering up something. Look at the monetarist claims of Friedman, et. al. and how they managed to bloviate us into all kinds of false moves with the economy. Also, just because someone has been on the air or published for 35 years does not necessarily mean that they are actually telling the truth or have their facts correct. Look at the idiots on Fox News or other right wing radio hosts as one set of examples. This is not to say Mr. Null is not truthful or doesn't have his facts straight, but that his statements are assertions without internal backup. Yes, the data may be on his web site but, like he states about Wikipedia, it might not be all that accurate. How am I to know? Now to my specific questions. How many people have died because of the measles vaccine versus the number that would have likely died without it since 2000 when the US was declared measles free? The same question goes for smallpox and the rest of the childhood vaccines. This is not to say that there are no risks with the vaccine but we need to look at the risk to reward of the vaccine. We don't get out of this world alive, the only questions are when and what caused our exit. I will say that, in general I agree with most of what Mr. Null asserts as being likely. Yes, medical doctors frequently totally ignore alternatives or other approaches. Just look at the history of ulcers and you see 40 years of ignoring an anecdotal study published in JAMA in 1954 about the possibility of bacterial causation. I wasn't until ~1994 that the truth of that study was proven and now ulcers, while not unheard of is not all that common as a long lasting condition. Billions were wasted of wrong headed, unscientific approaches. In the same way ignoring or attempting to discredit alternatives is just plain stupid and wasteful. The other thing I agree with on this subject is the use of vaccines that are meant for adult situations, such as sexually transmitted diseases, should not be given to infants. In any case, regardless of these issues, censorship has no place on KPFA and Laura Prives should be ashamed of herself. I'd rather that this be dealt with for the long run rather than have it simply brushed aside by either ignoring it or having her resign. She resigns and what will the next program director have for guidance for the future.

Glenn Goodman - May 27th, 2015 at 8:21am

The vaccine issue is an odd one in that people who get that the tobacco industry, as well as the nuclear power industry, and oil, banking and all the rest of them are lying through their teeth about the harms they are doing to us with their toxic products. Cui Bono is alive and well there. Then you get to vaccines and people who have no trouble seeing through the aforementioned lies suddenly become industry cheerleaders, and for a depraved and corrupt industry at that. Sometimes that even means that they will see the corruption involved with 60,000 Vioxx deaths, but not with waves of retardation and allergies and tens of thousands of vaccine related SIDS deaths. This could never be a college debate topic because the science is overwhelmingly on - surprise - the side of independent science, not industry and captured regulatory agency science. I get why we only hear one side on the mainstream news, but from KPFA I expect much better.

Mike Red - May 31st, 2015 at 11:03pm

Sad to say, but Pacifica, the last great bastion of truth, is being infiltrated and subverted insidiously by establishment shills. Even KPFK had a program shilling for vaccines and Big Pharma recently. It made me sick with anger. It also made me extremely sad.

Jeff Simpson - June 1st, 2015 at 12:57am

Ms. Prives really has put herself out on her own petard here. She now has to debate Null point by point now backing up each and every one of her attacks on him or she looks gutless and ignorant, or worse...

Shannon - June 2nd, 2015 at 5:10pm

#SB277 is the worst written bill in California's history as it discriminates against those with religious beliefs and eliminates a parents choice of medical freedom. This law, should it pass will no doubt cause the California tax payers huge amounts of money as I can predict many lawsuits in the making. How dare our legislators get in the middle of a doctor/patient relationship. Injection without consent is battery and to fail our children of a fair right to an education is like saying - we give up ... just kill us now. I am disappointed that your station refuses to see both sides of the table since I am a parent with two vaccinated children who this law will not affect. I am however, a tax payer and I am sick of the hand outs all the hands of bad lawmakers who continually rob us of our rights. This bill is about CIVIL RIGHTS!

Peggy Rose - August 17th, 2015 at 6:54am

On a positive note, looking at this as the glass being half full by coming upon this situation I have now found another fabulous radio show to start listening to. As far as Gary Null goes, he will always get an A rating from me. One of the few people who's info I no longer bother to vet.

Suzanne Matthews - September 26th, 2015 at 8:52am

All vaccines are BAD. Beware people. Do your homework. Read Slaughter of The Innocent, Vaccination Condemned, A Shot in The Dark, The Poisoned Needle, The Golden Calf, What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines. Find out exactly how vaccines are mad. It will make you all sick!

Robert Buratt - December 17th, 2015 at 4:43pm

The show should have, at worst been postponed. Ms. Previs should have asked Gary for all of his supporting data, have an appropriate scientist or scientists revow it, then reschedule the show with a debate between Gary and an appropriate scientist representative of the core opposing views. Ms. Previs herself need not have debated Gary.

Kevin Frye - September 15th, 2017 at 12:41pm

It is impossible to vet every detail of what is presented on Pacifica with regards to alternative health. It is up to the listener to do further research and devine the truth. This program is substantively no different than many of the other programs presented on Pacifica. To single it out for censorship is beyond the pale and doesn't bode well about the future as even more important topics rise up against the corporatocracy and are censored. The board should pull up their big girl panties, issue a detraction, apologize to all parties and get back to focusing on financial solvency. There do exist problems with vaccines, they should be discussed openly and profit should be driven from their delivery.

Gail Payne - December 16th, 2018 at 7:30am

Ms. Previs you have no idea what you are talking about. Censorship of Gary Null and anyone at WBAI is incredibly wrong. I no longer listen to Pacifa due to this censorship.

Letitia - July 4th, 2020 at 8:38pm

Vaccinations and vaccines are the kind of subject on which robust, public debate MUST be allowed. For a handful of people to decide that their intelligent listeners cannot be allowed to hear something because those in charge have decided that it is not true/not scientific/pick any reason is despicable. I'm glad to have learned, because of this event, about Gary Null's alternate media outlet. On the topic of forced vaccinations, I believe (I am a licensed CA attorney) that an existing California law, which adopted the Nuremberg Code, would provide a legal basis to any new bill that would force parents to vaccinate children in order to have access to their constitutionally-guaranteed right to free, public education. Here is what I've posted elsewhere: Is Mandated, Forced Vaccination Legal? The Nuremberg Code, created in 1947 after the world learned of medical experiments on Nazi prisoners, states: "The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential." This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. Believe it or not, the USA has not adopted the Nuremburg Code -- which explains some things like the infamous Tuskegee Syphilis study continued well after 1947. Such experimentation has gone on in other US arenas, too: If you live in California, you should know that California adopted this principle as state law, with Health & Safety Code sections 24170 through 24179.5. That means that forced vaccination should be ILLEGAL in California. Yet just a few years ago, California State adopted a method of coercing vaccinations of children by making their access to their constitutionally guaranteed right to free public education conditional on being vaccinated. This system, in my opinion, is arguably unlawful. But vaccinations are not experiments, right? Wrong. If you think each vaccination is not an "experiment," you're wrong. The government knows that a certain number of subjects who receive vaccinations will suffer adverse effects, some very serious. It just doesn't know which subjects will have an adverse effect. The newer a vaccination is, the more "experimental" it is. The first studies of any new drug will show its initially discernable side effects, but it is only after years on the market that the full possibility of adverse effects will be known. I know; I took a drug that was approved as safe by the FDA in 1998; it was not until nine years later that its manufacturer was forced to list five more serious side effects -- after using the general population as free guinea pigs - actually as guinea pigs who paid to be guinea pigs. I knew about those "new" side effects two years before the new warnings came out, because I suffered from them. So, if someone wants to take their chances with a vaccination or a drug, fine. But no one should be FORCED to be a guinea pig. To show our overlords that we are paying attention and are not going to be pushovers, please, make sure California complies with the Nuremburg Code and its own Health & Safety Code, and tell all other state governments: NO FORCED VACCINATIONS. Sign the petition: And a final footnote: unethical experimentation for "medical" and eugenic purposes was carried out by government in the past. It is amazing that so many people sit quietly by and allow their children to be used in the same way, or even argue in favor of mandatory vaccinations, just because California politicians are not goose-stepping or wearing monocles.